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#1 sweepa

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:53 PM

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UPDATE: THE Greens have hit out at the Coalition's plan to change free speech restrictions in racial discrimination law.


Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has revealed the plan to change the laws if he was made prime minister.


The plan would see sections of the Racial Discrimination Act that were used to prosecuteHerald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt last year, after he wrote about light-skinned Aborigines, repealed by the Coalition.


Greens legal affairs spokeswoman Penny Wright said the Opposition’s proposal to allow people to express views that could be offensive would lead to ''distortions of the truth''.


''If the Coalition have their way we will see a situation where an influential commentator may use errors of fact, distortions of the truth and inflammatory and provocative language to offend or insult people of a certain race, colour or ethnic origin, with impunity,'' Senator Wright said.



''Yes, there is an important balance to be struck between the right to freedom of expression and the right to be protected against discrimination. But we think that the Act in its current form gets that balance right.''
The Australian newspaper reports shadow Attorney-General George Brandis saying that the changes would mean the removal of provisions that prevent the use of words that could offend or insult.
"We consider that to be an inappropriate limitation on freedom of speech and freedom of public discussion – as was evident in the Andrew Bolt case," he said.
"Offensive and insulting words are part of the robust democratic process, which is essential to a free country."
The changes would bring the Act's restrictions on free speech closer to limits found in defamation laws, The Australian reports.
Liability for racial vilification would be limited to comments that humiliate or intimidate.
http://www.heraldsun...2-1226285013267

Nice to see a politician in this country propose a changes to a law that actually makes sense and gives people rights for once instead of taking them away.

#2 level_100%_warned

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:54 PM

Liberal Party FTW!

don't agree with the piece of legislation however... as tight ass as Australian defamation laws are if your not prepared to offend a certain category of people without proof that what you saying is true then you should obviously keep you mouth shut instead of creating a s**t storm

PS Andrew Bolt is a total nut job... never before have a seen a journalist so biased and arrogant before in my life... any law to shut him up is good in my opinion...

#3 Toby_2410

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:51 AM

Yeah pretty much what this guy said ^^ the reason why Bolt was taken to court wasn't because of him being racist it's because he was incorrect in his reporting as well as being racist. Journalists being punished for misreporting is something which needs to happen more often due to the amount of crap that gets reported as news these days. You can hold pretty much whatever opinion you like but if you're a journalist and present it as fact you had better have some evidence to back it up especially if it's inflammatory and racist.

#4 Lowe

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:06 AM

i third what these guys are saying!
tony the tool doesnt want free speech he just wants to be able to spread right wing propagander with out any consequence useing nut jobs like andrew bolt

#5 bootlegapparel

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

View Postlevel_100%_warned, on 29 February 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Liberal Party FTW!

LDP FTW :woot:

But seriously, why don't we just adopt America's free speech laws, they seemed to have (suprisingly) got that right. Didn't they?

#6 pyro

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:06 PM

they got it right, but they still get shit on repeatedly, regardless of having it.

#7 sid280

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:18 PM

As long as I can still give shit to Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Christians, Mormons, Buddhists, Taoists and other bigotry cults, I don't mind

#8 sid280

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:20 PM

Also keep in mind (once again quoted from Wikipedia)

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Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights, with the exception of political speech which is protected from criminal prosecution at common law per Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth.


edit: I say bring on the changes, our government and society is screwed up enough already that a change like this might actually help. We will finally be able to state facts like "That Indian was a shit taxi driver" without looking like a racist, and without having to explain to everyone that "India doesn't have the same driving laws as us, so in comparison they all look like shit drivers", its not the Indian dudes fault he's a shit driver, its our government who was stupid enough to give them a taxi driver license without testing them on our roads.

Edited by sid280, 01 March 2012 - 12:26 PM.


#9 TheApothecary

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:26 PM

Parliamentary Privilege...

#10 Dr. Cranium

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:54 PM

He only wants it so he can keep saying stupid shit without fear of reprimand.

Guy is a fking moron.

And i agree with you Sid, mostly in regards to the jews though

#11 A31Cefiro

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:56 PM

View Postbootlegapparel, on 01 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

But seriously, why don't we just adopt America's free speech laws, they seemed to have (suprisingly) got that right. Didn't they?

Not really, hate groups hide behind that law when they deliberately make inflammatory comments. They then sue people who spread libel/slander about them as a means of gaining funding and putting themselves through legal training so they can self represent in court. Scientologists and Westboro Baptist Church have been doing this for some time.

#12 Datsun240z

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

Let people say what they want, you don't have to listen to it. If you do hear something you don't agree with you can use the tried and tested method of ignoring it/them and/or view the person saying it as an idiot. Everything is getting way too PC these days. People will always have their own opinions, which are usually wrong and ill founded in others opinions.

#13 Lowe

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:46 PM

^^ it would be nice if it was as simple as turn the other cheek as your sugesting, but before you know it a bunch of gullible morons worked up by cheque book journalisim such as bolt or aca that care more about rateings and money than the truth want to and have the numbers or dollars to start changing laws for the worse, amongst other bad things creating nanny state laws to restrict and tax the general public just in case... oh wait....

#14 Legal Attorney

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:56 PM

View PostDr. Cranium, on 01 March 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

He only wants it so he can keep saying stupid shit without fear of reprimand.

Guy is a fking moron.

And i agree with you Sid, mostly in regards to the jews though

that just a liitle naive. he wouldnt create policy just to serve his own 'self-interest' as it would lead to major political backlash if he abused it later down the track.

#15 sid280

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostLowe, on 01 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

^^ it would be nice if it was as simple as turn the other cheek as your sugesting, but before you know it a bunch of gullible morons worked up by cheque book journalisim such as bolt or aca that care more about rateings and money than the truth want to and have the numbers or dollars to start changing laws for the worse, amongst other bad things creating nanny state laws to restrict and tax the general public just in case... oh wait....

...And we'll be getting infringement letters in the mail for "Failing to obey Political Correctness Act 2012"

#16 pmod

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:44 AM

From what I can tell, the current laws quell far too much fact, and that can be more dangerous than offending minority groups. The facts should always stand, even if they're unpleasant.
Sure, there will be hate groups and similar scumbags that abuse the system, however they already do that, so I fail to see that as a compelling argument against the proposed changes.

Datsun240z summed it up well.

View PostLowe, on 01 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

...amongst other bad things creating nanny state laws to restrict and tax the general public just in case... oh wait....

Statistically speaking, NSW has more law and legislation than any other place in the world (last time I checked).
One less restriction is a good thing.

#17 renz.s15

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

At the end of the day... julia sucks so anything/anyone is better than having her around

#18 Fire_Child22

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:57 PM

View Postrenz.s15, on 14 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

At the end of the day... julia sucks so anything/anyone is better than having her around

How exactly did your comment relate to this thread?

Oh wait, you saw politics being discussed and thought you would weigh in with all your intelligence and insight!

My bad, carry on -.-

#19 Peter89

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 01:03 AM

we will never get true free speech in this country because it would require us to vote for a bill of rights. such bill of rights would be written by politically correct liberal douches.
such laws wouldn't allow the government to censor any media due to violence or sex or drugs and religious groups would jump all over that.

American Freedom of speech laws are brilliant but it is a shame they decided to ignore most of their constitution. Considering how brilliant the entire thing is if followed.


(note, liberal in the american sense, as in leftist aka socialist)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:53 AM

View PostFire_Child22, on 14 March 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

View Postrenz.s15, on 14 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

At the end of the day... julia sucks so anything/anyone is better than having her around

How exactly did your comment relate to this thread?

Oh wait, you saw politics being discussed and thought you would weigh in with all your intelligence and insight!

My bad, carry on -.-

Story does check out though...

#21 K.O.S!

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:05 PM

View PostPeter89, on 15 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

we will never get true free speech in this country because it would require us to vote for a bill of rights. such bill of rights would be written by politically correct liberal douches.
such laws wouldn't allow the government to censor any media due to violence or sex or drugs and religious groups would jump all over that.

American Freedom of speech laws are brilliant but it is a shame they decided to ignore most of their constitution. Considering how brilliant the entire thing is if followed.


(note, liberal in the american sense, as in leftist aka socialist)

We do have bills of rights? Come on man if you are trying to participate in a political discussion you should at least be armed with some information. The ACT and VIC have human rights bills...

#22 Dr. Cranium

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:28 PM

View PostK.O.S!, on 15 March 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostPeter89, on 15 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

we will never get true free speech in this country because it would require us to vote for a bill of rights. such bill of rights would be written by politically correct liberal douches.
such laws wouldn't allow the government to censor any media due to violence or sex or drugs and religious groups would jump all over that.

American Freedom of speech laws are brilliant but it is a shame they decided to ignore most of their constitution. Considering how brilliant the entire thing is if followed.


(note, liberal in the american sense, as in leftist aka socialist)

We do have bills of rights? Come on man if you are trying to participate in a political discussion you should at least be armed with some information. The ACT and VIC have human rights bills...

There is a difference between the American bill of rights and a human rights bill.

#23 Peter89

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:35 PM

View PostK.O.S!, on 15 March 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

View PostPeter89, on 15 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

we will never get true free speech in this country because it would require us to vote for a bill of rights. such bill of rights would be written by politically correct liberal douches.
such laws wouldn't allow the government to censor any media due to violence or sex or drugs and religious groups would jump all over that.

American Freedom of speech laws are brilliant but it is a shame they decided to ignore most of their constitution. Considering how brilliant the entire thing is if followed.


(note, liberal in the american sense, as in leftist aka socialist)

We do have bills of rights? Come on man if you are trying to participate in a political discussion you should at least be armed with some information. The ACT and VIC have human rights bills...

We have no federal over ruling bill of rights like America does. Victoria Human rights bill is useless.

#24 The Panda

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostPeter89, on 15 March 2012 - 01:03 AM, said:

we will never get true free speech in this country because it would require us to vote for a bill of rights. such bill of rights would be written by politically correct liberal douches.
such laws wouldn't allow the government to censor any media due to violence or sex or drugs and religious groups would jump all over that.

American Freedom of speech laws are brilliant but it is a shame they decided to ignore most of their constitution. Considering how brilliant the entire thing is if followed.


(note, liberal in the american sense, as in leftist aka socialist)

Right.

But when the Americans speak of 'rights' they speak about constitionally guaranteed liberties. References to the BoR are sparse.

Also, maybe learn a little about freedom of speech in America before you start praising it. A right to not self incriminate. A right not to incriminate family members. What crap.

View PostPeter89, on 15 March 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

We have no federal over ruling bill of rights like America does. Victoria Human rights bill is useless.

There is this thing called the constitution. Which, last time I checked, can be amended through a referendum.

#25 aym23q

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:55 PM

Freedom of speech hey.
For EVERYONE?
Doubt it. U know this is gonna be biased.
so any group can say anything they want about another group lol
umm yea genius. So much for harmony.







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