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Spazo's Photo Spazo 24 Dec 2014

I've been looking around at a few new cars and maybe I'm not seeing straight but it seems like there's not many good LOOKING cars in the lower price brackets. Mazda and Subaru for example went and made their cars look worse. The Mitsubishi mirage from the late 90s has been replaced with an abomination, the lancer is pretty bad too for that matter.

There's some okay designs but some of them are just ruined by cheesy tail lights or grills or something. Or they're just trying too hard to come up with something unique when there's nothing classic for it to distinguish itself from.

Some of the European cars are okay but they're also quite pricey.

I won't name cars cos I might offend someone but wtf?
Edited by Spazo, 24 December 2014 - 03:29 PM.
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Tim Sil80's Photo Tim Sil80 24 Dec 2014

Test driven that Evo 8/9 yet ?
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Junny's Photo Junny 24 Dec 2014

Mazda styling is pretty good. are you looking for a normal car now? given up on mx?
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Spazo's Photo Spazo 24 Dec 2014

Still wanting an mx5 but looking around just in case I find something I like more.

1st gen mazda 3's and 323's looked great, the last 2 generations look weird. New corolla looks weird. New civic - wtf, wrxs - weird. Toyota 86 - not bad, very common now though. BMW 1 series - weird, most renault and fiats - weird. I like the Audi tt, fiat punto, 370z (from the outside), golf, Peugeot rcz but they don't suit me for various reasons.

The ford fiesta st got a really good rap, gotta wait for a chance to see + drive one though.

I'm prob rambling. The late 80's to late 90's had so many cool turbo rwd jap cars with classic styling, now there's shit all.

Tim - I didn't realize how old Evo 8's and 9's were so not really considering them now.
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bumblebee's Photo bumblebee 25 Dec 2014

The ve is a good looking especially the sv6. Also a nice rwd car and is as fuel efficient as the previous mazada 3 i get 10L per 100 around town
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s13k's's Photo s13k's 25 Dec 2014

They are getting lazier at designing too

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Varvs's Photo Varvs 25 Dec 2014

European safety standards are to blame.

80s/90s cars are where its at.
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View Posts13k's, on 25 December 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

They are getting lazier at designing too

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saying that, I've notice that the new Rav 4. cx5 and the hyundai 4x4 (what ever its called), look exactly the same. Even same rims!
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View PostBEV5TA, on 25 December 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

saying that, I've notice that the new Rav 4. cx5 and the hyundai 4x4 (what ever its called), look exactly the same. Even same rims!

Some more quality examples

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junkie's Photo junkie 26 Dec 2014

^ same car, just a bit of badge swapping going on
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Chappy's Photo Chappy 29 Dec 2014

Toyota 86 and V36 Skyline are both sexy.
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Spazo's Photo Spazo 29 Dec 2014

View PostChappy, on 29 December 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

Toyota 86 and V36 Skyline are both sexy.

The 86 is so common now it's like the new commodore. At least where I live. On the bright side - I think it will be easy to pick up a cheap one a few years down the track.

I bought my mx5, flying to Melbourne to get it tomorrow.
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jaker33's Photo jaker33 30 Dec 2014

I currently have an s15 and have been looking at the Toyota 86, when they came out I never really took notice but the past week I was looking all through their sites at options and models available and they're growing on me, just don't know if I will think its to slow. but 147kw is very similar to my turbo s15 so who knows
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Varvs's Photo Varvs 30 Dec 2014

I have driven one.

Right where the SR20 starts to make power and be fun, the FA20 in the 86 has a big f**kin dip in torque. you either have to smash through it or hold gears to stay above it. it ruins the fun of the car.
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AC-S13's Photo AC-S13 30 Dec 2014

The 86 is the perfect platform for turbo. Buy an 86 and get a turbo kit. Happy days.
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Spazo's Photo Spazo 30 Dec 2014

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.
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AC-S13's Photo AC-S13 30 Dec 2014

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.

86 plus a disco potato. Laughing
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Chappy's Photo Chappy 30 Dec 2014

View PostAC-S13, on 30 December 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.
86 plus a disco potato. Laughing

I would be very surprised if you could get away with slapping a turbo onto the 86 without also having to sort out the injectors (or at least a fuel reg) and ECU. Not to mention zaust and intercooler.
Probably set you back a few thousand.
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AC-S13's Photo AC-S13 30 Dec 2014

View PostChappy, on 30 December 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostAC-S13, on 30 December 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.
86 plus a disco potato. Laughing

I would be very surprised if you could get away with slapping a turbo onto the 86 without also having to sort out the injectors (or at least a fuel reg) and ECU. Not to mention zaust and intercooler.
Probably set you back a few thousand.

When i say adding a turbo, that includes ecu and intercooler and zorst. I think the injectors would be able handle a little bit of boost.
There are kits out there and would definately be worth it.

Ive seen a few vids on youtube where they easily break 300whp with turbo kits.
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Chappy's Photo Chappy 30 Dec 2014

Yeah, once you lay down the $$ i bet they are monsters.

I wonder how well the 7 speed auto in my V36 could handle a supercharger kit.....
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Varvs's Photo Varvs 30 Dec 2014

86 is 12:1 ratio. T25 would be enough. (and you couldnt wind it much past 7 pound anyway)

it also runs 8 injectors (4 port, 4 direct) to manage fuel.

and yeah minimum turbo kit cost is like 5K, plus your warranty.

So yeah its not a standard bolt on turbo kit - lots of management needed.

Probably cheaper to just buy a EJ20 half cut and do that. Better after market support and online knowledge base too.
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blind_injustice's Photo blind_injustice 30 Dec 2014

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Chappy's Photo Chappy 30 Dec 2014

The Sirocco R is not fast enough for the price bracket it occupies.
For the same money you can get a frigging STI!
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-Gaz-'s Photo -Gaz- 30 Dec 2014

View PostChappy, on 30 December 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

The Sirocco R is not fast enough for the price bracket it occupies.
For the same money you can get a frigging STI!

Exactly. A mate has one, cost him 55k ish ... ... Ive driven it, yeah it's alright, but I wouldn't drop that type of coin on a FF ...
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blind_injustice's Photo blind_injustice 30 Dec 2014

Yea, very steep price tag, but being a Euro they devalue like crazy, pick up a my11 model for mid thirties.
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blind_injustice's Photo blind_injustice 30 Dec 2014

I rekon the Koreans are doing well styling wise with Kia. Specially with the twin sun roof.


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junkie's Photo junkie 30 Dec 2014

The 86 already has a tune that fixes the torque hole http://store.vtune.u...gt86-self-tuner
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Tim Sil80's Photo Tim Sil80 30 Dec 2014

86's look alright, I get a good view of them in the rear view mirror down the straights at qld raceway.
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Flying180's Photo Flying180 30 Dec 2014

View PostTim Sil80, on 30 December 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

86's look alright, I get a good view of them in the rear view mirror down the straights at qld raceway.

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View Postblind_injustice, on 30 December 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

I rekon the Koreans are doing well styling wise with Kia. Specially with the twin sun roof.


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I like this... Kinda has a liberty/ wrx look about it.
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