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#1 Spazo

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  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:JDM S15

Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:12 PM

I've been looking around at a few new cars and maybe I'm not seeing straight but it seems like there's not many good LOOKING cars in the lower price brackets. Mazda and Subaru for example went and made their cars look worse. The Mitsubishi mirage from the late 90s has been replaced with an abomination, the lancer is pretty bad too for that matter.

There's some okay designs but some of them are just ruined by cheesy tail lights or grills or something. Or they're just trying too hard to come up with something unique when there's nothing classic for it to distinguish itself from.

Some of the European cars are okay but they're also quite pricey.

I won't name cars cos I might offend someone but wtf?

Edited by Spazo, 24 December 2014 - 03:29 PM.


#2 Tim Sil80

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  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:Sileighty

Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:34 PM

Test driven that Evo 8/9 yet ?

#3 Junny

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  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:180sx type-x

Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:30 PM

Mazda styling is pretty good. are you looking for a normal car now? given up on mx?

#4 Spazo

  • Joined:27-September 06
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:JDM S15

Posted 24 December 2014 - 10:19 PM

Still wanting an mx5 but looking around just in case I find something I like more.

1st gen mazda 3's and 323's looked great, the last 2 generations look weird. New corolla looks weird. New civic - wtf, wrxs - weird. Toyota 86 - not bad, very common now though. BMW 1 series - weird, most renault and fiats - weird. I like the Audi tt, fiat punto, 370z (from the outside), golf, Peugeot rcz but they don't suit me for various reasons.

The ford fiesta st got a really good rap, gotta wait for a chance to see + drive one though.

I'm prob rambling. The late 80's to late 90's had so many cool turbo rwd jap cars with classic styling, now there's shit all.

Tim - I didn't realize how old Evo 8's and 9's were so not really considering them now.


#5 bumblebee

  • Joined:26-March 09
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:200sx s1

Posted 25 December 2014 - 04:44 PM

The ve is a good looking especially the sv6. Also a nice rwd car and is as fuel efficient as the previous mazada 3 i get 10L per 100 around town

#6 s13k's

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  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:180SX Type X

Posted 25 December 2014 - 05:06 PM

They are getting lazier at designing too

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#7 Varvs

  • Joined:21-December 07
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:97 180sx Type X

Posted 25 December 2014 - 08:35 PM

European safety standards are to blame.

80s/90s cars are where its at.

#8 BEV5TA

  • Joined:22-September 07
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:Silvia S13

Posted 25 December 2014 - 10:13 PM

View Posts13k's, on 25 December 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

They are getting lazier at designing too

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saying that, I've notice that the new Rav 4. cx5 and the hyundai 4x4 (what ever its called), look exactly the same. Even same rims!

#9 s13k's

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Posted 25 December 2014 - 10:35 PM

View PostBEV5TA, on 25 December 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

saying that, I've notice that the new Rav 4. cx5 and the hyundai 4x4 (what ever its called), look exactly the same. Even same rims!

Some more quality examples

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#10 junkie

  • Joined:14-July 04
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:S14a

Posted 26 December 2014 - 12:10 PM

^ same car, just a bit of badge swapping going on

#11 Chappy

  • Joined:03-November 04
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:2009 V36 370GT Sedan

Posted 29 December 2014 - 09:14 PM

Toyota 86 and V36 Skyline are both sexy.

#12 Spazo

  • Joined:27-September 06
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:JDM S15

Posted 29 December 2014 - 09:53 PM

View PostChappy, on 29 December 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

Toyota 86 and V36 Skyline are both sexy.

The 86 is so common now it's like the new commodore. At least where I live. On the bright side - I think it will be easy to pick up a cheap one a few years down the track.

I bought my mx5, flying to Melbourne to get it tomorrow.

#13 jaker33

  • Joined:05-October 11
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:2001 s15

Posted 30 December 2014 - 08:39 AM

I currently have an s15 and have been looking at the Toyota 86, when they came out I never really took notice but the past week I was looking all through their sites at options and models available and they're growing on me, just don't know if I will think its to slow. but 147kw is very similar to my turbo s15 so who knows

#14 Varvs

  • Joined:21-December 07
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:97 180sx Type X

Posted 30 December 2014 - 09:09 AM

I have driven one.

Right where the SR20 starts to make power and be fun, the FA20 in the 86 has a big f**kin dip in torque. you either have to smash through it or hold gears to stay above it. it ruins the fun of the car.

#15 AC-S13

  • Joined:12-August 08
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:1989 CA18 Sil

Posted 30 December 2014 - 10:39 AM

The 86 is the perfect platform for turbo. Buy an 86 and get a turbo kit. Happy days.

#16 Spazo

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  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:JDM S15

Posted 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.

#17 AC-S13

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Posted 30 December 2014 - 12:39 PM

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.

86 plus a disco potato. Laughing

#18 Chappy

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  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:2009 V36 370GT Sedan

Posted 30 December 2014 - 12:56 PM

View PostAC-S13, on 30 December 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.
86 plus a disco potato. Laughing

I would be very surprised if you could get away with slapping a turbo onto the 86 without also having to sort out the injectors (or at least a fuel reg) and ECU. Not to mention zaust and intercooler.
Probably set you back a few thousand.

#19 AC-S13

  • Joined:12-August 08
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:1989 CA18 Sil

Posted 30 December 2014 - 01:23 PM

View PostChappy, on 30 December 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

View PostAC-S13, on 30 December 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

View PostSpazo, on 30 December 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Only thing missing from the 86 is torque. It drove better than my s15 in every other way + you get that new car feeling.
86 plus a disco potato. Laughing

I would be very surprised if you could get away with slapping a turbo onto the 86 without also having to sort out the injectors (or at least a fuel reg) and ECU. Not to mention zaust and intercooler.
Probably set you back a few thousand.

When i say adding a turbo, that includes ecu and intercooler and zorst. I think the injectors would be able handle a little bit of boost.
There are kits out there and would definately be worth it.

Ive seen a few vids on youtube where they easily break 300whp with turbo kits.

Edited by AC-S13, 30 December 2014 - 01:23 PM.


#20 Chappy

  • Joined:03-November 04
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:2009 V36 370GT Sedan

Posted 30 December 2014 - 01:43 PM

Yeah, once you lay down the $$ i bet they are monsters.

I wonder how well the 7 speed auto in my V36 could handle a supercharger kit.....

#21 Varvs

  • Joined:21-December 07
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:97 180sx Type X

Posted 30 December 2014 - 02:05 PM

86 is 12:1 ratio. T25 would be enough. (and you couldnt wind it much past 7 pound anyway)

it also runs 8 injectors (4 port, 4 direct) to manage fuel.

and yeah minimum turbo kit cost is like 5K, plus your warranty.

So yeah its not a standard bolt on turbo kit - lots of management needed.

Probably cheaper to just buy a EJ20 half cut and do that. Better after market support and online knowledge base too.

#22 blind_injustice

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  • Car:GM Test pilot

Posted 30 December 2014 - 02:51 PM

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#23 Chappy

  • Joined:03-November 04
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:2009 V36 370GT Sedan

Posted 30 December 2014 - 03:11 PM

The Sirocco R is not fast enough for the price bracket it occupies.
For the same money you can get a frigging STI!

Edited by Chappy, 30 December 2014 - 03:21 PM.


#24 -Gaz-

  • Joined:18-June 06
  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:CBR, S14

Posted 30 December 2014 - 03:22 PM

View PostChappy, on 30 December 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

The Sirocco R is not fast enough for the price bracket it occupies.
For the same money you can get a frigging STI!

Exactly. A mate has one, cost him 55k ish ... ... Ive driven it, yeah it's alright, but I wouldn't drop that type of coin on a FF ...

#25 blind_injustice

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  • Location:Australia SA
  • Car:GM Test pilot

Posted 30 December 2014 - 03:28 PM

Yea, very steep price tag, but being a Euro they devalue like crazy, pick up a my11 model for mid thirties.

#26 blind_injustice

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  • Location:Australia SA
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Posted 30 December 2014 - 03:30 PM

I rekon the Koreans are doing well styling wise with Kia. Specially with the twin sun roof.


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#27 junkie

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  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:S14a

Posted 30 December 2014 - 05:45 PM

The 86 already has a tune that fixes the torque hole http://store.vtune.u...gt86-self-tuner

#28 Tim Sil80

  • Joined:12-February 14
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:Sileighty

Posted 30 December 2014 - 06:34 PM

86's look alright, I get a good view of them in the rear view mirror down the straights at qld raceway.

#29 Flying180

  • Joined:29-March 05
  • Location:Australia SA

Posted 30 December 2014 - 07:23 PM

View PostTim Sil80, on 30 December 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

86's look alright, I get a good view of them in the rear view mirror down the straights at qld raceway.

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#30 -Gaz-

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Posted 31 December 2014 - 02:36 AM

View Postblind_injustice, on 30 December 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

I rekon the Koreans are doing well styling wise with Kia. Specially with the twin sun roof.


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I like this... Kinda has a liberty/ wrx look about it.





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