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following on from last topic.

I reckon that the truest //and illest hip hop has come and gone. :ph34r:

now there are only like glimpses of the past with continuing groups such as the roots, mos,talib etc etc..

 

so here is the question. is hip hop dead? or not?

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define hip hop

its all changed now, its a major topic, its a yes and no answer to this question

as much as i love the old school, all respect to them, but that was hip hop, this new shit thats coming out now, its just not the same...

 

and the new shit thats coming out now, club rnb music and degrading girls.. like thats always been there... but i see it as too commerical now

dont get me wrong.. i love listening to tpain and akon, this and that, but you cant put them in the same group as the originals and best

 

there have been good albums comin out though.. nas is still in the game, but his music style has changed a little, and he is the one leading the 'hip hop is dead' focus

im loving scribe's new album... and go get lupe fiascos album as well

but looking at people like 50 cent, eminem, etc, puts you off hiphop and they give the wrong meaning out, i see it as popularity and money to these type of artists..

 

its 2am and im hammered... ill be sure to be back on this topic when im fresh in the morning!

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PHARO pretty much wrapped it up guys out know cant compare to people lik .BIG,2pac etcc

 

 

 

although the game as changed since those days but keep in mind hip hop/rap has a huge following expecially out of australia i mean we dont get much support down here to say house music or that techno crap they play

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yeh agree with u pharo. yeh im big into lupe as well..

commercialism is the main culprit. its unforunate that amongst the most popular hip hop stars today are only monotone and basic compared with the illest rappers like Black Thought, 10 years ago. who's rhymes were offensively powerful.

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PHARO pretty much wrapped it up guys out know cant compare to people lik .BIG,2pac etcc

 

Sad, but true

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i'm not really into hip-hop, it's just not for me. some of it's commercial marketing & profiting at it's best. 50 Cent has to be the biggest hip-hop joke since vanilla ice. i'd like to hear a song where he moves away from the monotone voice-over style.

 

of the hip-hop i do listen do, none of it is people trying to big note themselves and talking up their cadillac escalades and ghetto fabulous lifestyles. of the stuff i've heard and listen to now and then, i prefer laid back sort of stuff. an adelaide radio station 3D radio used to have a show called Headphone Therapy. they always played quality laid back beats that i could actually listen to.

 

i hope decent music like the clip below continues to be produced and rises to be the prominent form of hip-hop seen & heard, as opposed to the current shit on video (s)hits, etc

 

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Its seems all the older heads that still produce comercial shit are trying to bring back the break/ bboy stilo Couple months back missy elliot had that shit track where they had apache played in like a marchine band or something, nas used acpache again threw will i am.

You just have to look for hip hop now days, ie krs one and marlie marl bumped out a new album

Other heads like cunninglynguists, classified, akrobatik, roots ect.

 

I think the statement is hip hop still the same term it ment 20 years ago

No its not 20 years ago hip hop was a party, not a music style, just like break dancing/bboying. Heads would only bboy to the break of the track hence break dancing and there was no dynamic movies such as winnies, flares, air flares ect. only started comming in, in the late 80s. Hence it was all about style.

 

Now days its crumpin and hip hop dancing is considered bboy. Where as me and my mates used to bboy to a shitty little cd player at dandenong station on the concrete.

 

Basicly to sum to up i would say metaphoricly hip hop is dead due to noit hearing/seeing any block parties in the projects, barkley hear of bambata doing anything and more, barely hear of the zulus for that matter. So all the qualities that made hip hop have disperesed and now its a now just a music genree. But there are plenty of heads out there that still keep it real

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Jay-Z's American Gangster has given a bit of life back to hip hop i think. way better than Kingdom Come

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not a fan of hip hop but i used to be years ago. i think that the only good hip hop used to be; 2pac, btnh, eminem, dmx, and old 50 cent. everything hip

 

hop now is commercial. it all sounds the same and they talk about the same useless shit; bitches, money and pimping. i prefer laid back stuff now if i have to listen to

 

any of it like the roots.

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2007 Released i've enjoyed

 

Ice Cube - Laugh Now Cry Later

EL P - Sleep when you're Dead

The Game - You know what it is

Hieroglyphics - Over Time

Sandpeople - Honest Racket

 

2007 Releases that were / are shit

 

Bones Thugs and Harmony - Strength and Loyalty (really shit cept 1st track)

Keith Murray - Rap Murr Phobia

 

 

Havent listen to Redman - Red Gone Wild yet...

 

plenty of good shit is dropping, just keep your ear open for it.

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Just listened to "Dilated Peoples - The Release Party EP"

 

2007 release - it was pretty good :)

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Hip Hop is still alive, you jus gotta turn off the TV and start looking for it. Sometimes its cool to go back and really listen to some older albums that you may not have heard. Ive been listening to a lot of EPMD and DEF Squad lately and I cant believe I skipped over this shit in the past. If you want to get a good new album,go and cop Joell Ortiz's album 'The Brick (Bodega Chronicles)'. There is still a lot of good Hip Hop out there you jus gotta look.

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ok next question. whats the best hip hop album of all time?

my vote:

dr dre- the chronic

the roots- phrenology

mos def/talib kweli- black star

common-finding forever

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ok next question. whats the best hip hop album of all time?

my vote:

dr dre- the chronic

the roots- phrenology

mos def/talib kweli- black star

common-finding forever

 

 

Nas - Illmatic

Wu-Tang - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

Big L - Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous

Notorious BIG - Ready to die

 

Love all these albums to death, the storytelling n rawness from each is jus pure Hip Hop. They were all released around the same time 93-95 i think. This is why I love Hip Hop.

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Best Hiphop Albums

 

Dr Dre - The Chronic 2001

Looptroop - The Struggle Continues

Del the Funky Homosapian - Deltron3030

Cypress Hill - Black Sunday

 

I'll give a mention to Doggystyle cause it has some wicked songs on it, as well as 36 chambers and Gangstarr momoent of truth.

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I really liked Eminem's semi-old stuff - the stuff where he got out of doing straight rap and added shady beats to it, so it was like real seady RnB music but rapping instead of singing, his new stuff is pretty shit now, cos it's sort of gone back to just being monotone rap, which is just plain annoying.

 

One of my favourite songs of all time is "Go To Sleep" from Cradle 2 The Grave soundtrack

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Music Genre's come and go, but before they leave they take a dump on the floor which is the next big thing.

 

example: Disco shat out Warehouse Music. That shat out A new house music culture. That shat out trance in the 90's, and some splash back in the eighties and ninetee's which became sub genre's. Trance smelled so bad they brought house back. House got really sick and started sounding like a broken synth. House then shat out electro-house. which is where we are now. There's a lot of sub genre's too...

 

House was awesome just before it was classified as electro-house.

 

trust me people, gangsta rap will be back. Think NWA and public enemy baby. I'm looking forward to it.

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reason for a large influx of sh!t hip hop is that they every one makes more money from it

common is the shiz.. his album 'be' is one of the rare albums that you can listen all the way through with out skipping

lupe is pretty awsome also

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hip hop is dead, all thats being released now is bodgy club beats, thats good for nothing. old school 2pac was the best ever then biggie, hip hop died in late 90's..

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top three tracks for me atm:

 

Eazy E - Real Muthaf**kin' G's

NWA - Straight Outta Compton

NWA - Express Yourself

 

 

 

AHHHHHHH REAL MUTHAf**kIN G'S!!

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hip hop is dead, all thats being released now is bodgy club beats, thats good for nothing. old school 2pac was the best ever then biggie, hip hop died in late 90's..

 

theres plenty of good shit still being released

you cunce just don't know where to look!

i know its not ridiculously easy to find amongst all the commercial bullshit

but make a bit of an effort and you will be greatly rewarded B)

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as long as the GAME is around hip hop is well and truely alive .....he is a shizzle my nizzla represent .....

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Hip Hop is in no way 'dead' . Esspecially aussie hip hop. People are just hearing less and less of it because it's becoming more underground now, in the sense that its no where near as commercialised as it had once become, such as NWA, Tupac, Biggie etc. all the old greats.

All this new 'rap' shit from 50cent and crap like that, esspecially so much r&b these days, is just all bullshit. Lyrics don't mean shit any more.

"I'm hot because im fly, this is why ur not, this is why, this is why, this is why im hot" (or some shitty lyrics like that)

 

It all comes down to what these teeny boppers think is 'cool' , and what sells records. People know the music industry is now becoming more and more dominated by money hungry bastards. Take a look at oldschool rock from the 80s, with ripping guitar solos. That doesn't sell money anymore, so it's harder for bands to get signed.

 

Back on to hiphop, the same thing is happening. The only artists that make it big are ones that can start a cult following, like G-unit and eminem. Take a listen to 50Cent's Acapella stuff. The lyrics without his music beats behind him. You will probably only last 2 minutes before tearing ur ears off.

 

Nunga said:

There is still a lot of good Hip Hop out there you jus gotta look.

That is 100% true. Hip hop just isn't as 'mainstream' as it once was.

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That is 100% true. Hip hop just isn't as 'mainstream' as it once was.

 

 

good. :P

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